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Title: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on July 23, 2020, 06:22:05 PM
West Branch at Williamsport...Greevy Launch is really getting low. 1/4 of the dock is on the ground, I have to get my truck about 1/2 in the water to launch my boat.
They have been catching some bass.
Linden Launch above the dam, Launch is ok. Haven't been catching fish of any size...They have all been pretty much under 12" but decent numbers.

Would like to get some rain soon or I might have to be careful in the skinny boat.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on July 28, 2020, 05:55:57 PM
West Branch at Williamsport...Greevy Launch is really getting low. 1/4 of the dock is on the ground, I have to get my truck about 1/2 in the water to launch my boat.
They have been catching some bass.
Linden Launch above the dam, Launch is ok. Haven't been catching fish of any size...They have all been pretty much under 12" but decent numbers.

Would like to get some rain soon or I might have to be careful in the skinny boat.
Tried to go up in the rocks this AM at Muddy Creek. Under "normal" conditions I can go another 200 yards or so. I did get a few
(https://i.imgur.com/9v1ELurm.jpg)
Usually fish evenings. Thought I would try to beat the heat.  8) Probably a foot higher tonight.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on July 31, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
I never paid that much attention before, but I would say there is 2 foot difference between early morning and evening at Muddy Creek. The "Conowingo Hotline" seems to indicate about the same.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on August 01, 2020, 09:24:56 PM
Phil that's a nice fish! Hopefully after this week we will have a little better water.
I have been getting out Tuesday, early mornings with a few retired guys.
Been fishing with rooster tails, Top water and some swim baits. Them little 10" bass are killing the top water  :)
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on August 01, 2020, 10:24:55 PM
I never paid that much attention before, but I would say there is 2 foot difference between early morning and evening at Muddy Creek. The "Conowingo Hotline" seems to indicate about the same.

Think about it - they use power from the grid to pump water to the upper reservoir during off peak times (night), and then they release it to generate power during peak times (day.)

I never realized that it would cause a two foot swing in the lower pool.   
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 02, 2020, 07:55:04 AM
Think about it - they use power from the grid to pump water to the upper reservoir during off peak times (night), and then they release it to generate power during peak times (day.)

I never realized that it would cause a two foot swing in the lower pool.
I am not sure how that works? The data I am talking about is from the Conowingo Dam, I have never been able to find operation times for the Muddy Run Pumped Storage facility. I do know both are now operated by Exelon.
https://www.exeloncorp.com/locations/power-plants/muddy-run-pumped-storage-facility (https://www.exeloncorp.com/locations/power-plants/muddy-run-pumped-storage-facility)
Since that is a peaking unit I do not think they can determine time. Probably operates solely on demand? I know it contributes significant flow. With negligible flow, In my jon I can sit in the flow areas with almost no trolling motor need. When it flows I cannot stay in place on high!
I will have post pictures from the ramp at AM and PM, it is dramatically different. One good thing is that when it is low one can see almost all the problem rocks!
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 02, 2020, 08:19:07 AM
Phil that's a nice fish! Hopefully after this week we will have a little better water.
I have been getting out Tuesday, early mornings with a few retired guys.
Been fishing with rooster tails, Top water and some swim baits. Them little 10" bass are killing the top water  :)
Thanks. They have been tearing up my swim bait tails. I get so many hits where they just get the tail.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on August 02, 2020, 08:27:18 AM
I am not sure how that works? The data I am talking about is from the Conowingo Dam, I have never been able to find operation times for the Muddy Run Pumped Storage facility. I do know both are now operated by Exelon.
https://www.exeloncorp.com/locations/power-plants/muddy-run-pumped-storage-facility (https://www.exeloncorp.com/locations/power-plants/muddy-run-pumped-storage-facility)
Since that is a peaking unit I do not think they can determine time. Probably operates solely on demand? I know it contributes significant flow. With negligible flow, In my jon I can sit in the flow areas with almost no trolling motor need. When it flows I cannot stay in place on high!
I will have post pictures from the ramp at AM and PM, it is dramatically different. One good thing is that when it is low one can see almost all the problem rocks!
Phil

They say:

Muddy Run Pumped Storage Facility is a pumped-storage hydroelectric plant that is owned and operated by Exelon Power, a business unit of Exelon Generation. It is used to generate energy for peak demand which usually occurs during the morning and early evening hours.
The 8-unit power station provides 1,070 megawatts (MW) of electricity by damming the Muddy Run ravine from its mouth. The station's output is critical to meeting the dynamic peak electricity demands on the area's regional power grid on hot summer afternoons. To generate energy, the water in the upper reservoir at Muddy Run is used to fuel the turbines, flowing into the Conowingo Pond, a 14-mile stretch of the Susquehanna River in Maryland. As energy demand decreases, at night, the units are reversed and used as pumps to fill the upper reservoir for subsequent peak-demand periods.


I have never been able to find info on when it operates either, but I think it is safe to assume they are doing it every day right now with as hot as it has been.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 02, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
I would like to be in the area when it operates. I guess I could listen for the "horns" and then move to the area.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on August 02, 2020, 08:53:28 AM
They have been tearing up my swim bait tails. I get so many hits where they just get the tail.

Try something with a very small tail.

(https://i.imgur.com/eWhs6sC.jpg)
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 02, 2020, 10:30:00 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 04, 2020, 08:22:04 AM
At Muddy Creek yesterday morning:
(https://i.imgur.com/rc0AuFYm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KTRNiwlm.jpg)
Across from the launch at sunrise I was drifting upriver from the plant pulling in water. At noon I could not stay in place. Using  a 7/16 ounce jig head in the flow it still moves a couple of feet per second. I did get 2 fish with the jig. Also using 1/2 ounce white hair jig I could see followers but no takers.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on August 04, 2020, 08:37:03 AM
That's a pretty big drop. That looks like it would be hard to deal with. At least your catching a few fish.
 Your going to get some decent rain today.

My Tuesday morning fishing got postponed because of the tropical storm. But I have good rain gear. I guess thunder storms was a worry. So drinking coffee and staying dry this morning.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 04, 2020, 08:52:47 AM
Good morning for coffee and a big breakfast!
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on August 04, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
At Muddy Creek yesterday morning:
(https://i.imgur.com/rc0AuFYm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KTRNiwlm.jpg)
Across from the launch at sunrise I was drifting upriver from the plant pulling in water. At noon I could not stay in place. Using  a 7/16 ounce jig head in the flow it still moves a couple of feet per second. I did get 2 fish with the jig. Also using 1/2 ounce white hair jig I could see followers but no takers.
Phil

I don't think I have ever been at Dorsey this time of year.  Any idea if the water level is affected much down there, meaning is the whole pool affected or just the area near Muddy Run?
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 04, 2020, 05:00:14 PM
I don't think I have ever been at Dorsey this time of year.  Any idea if the water level is affected much down there, meaning is the whole pool affected or just the area near Muddy Run?
I believe it is the same effect; however: I do not think you notice it as much (except for at the launch site). I have always known the Lower Conowingo fluctuates dramatically, I just never realized how much. One conclusion I will make is, when it gets colder I know there will be less flow at Muddy Creek in the AM. For quite a few years I have always fished Muddy Creek in the evening (if doing well why go in the morning?). Been a tough year. A few of my spots are not producing. Oddly enough in the spring I had always fished the Lower Conowingo in the AM.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on August 06, 2020, 06:51:37 AM
We didn't  gain much from the storm this week. Got about 0.70" of rain and the river is holding steady up here.
River gauge is at 0.4' with is about the lowest I can remember it.
Got out yesterday for a bit yesterday but the wind was a problem. Again just a couple small ones...no size.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 06, 2020, 08:20:07 AM
Safe Harbor reports rain from 7PM to 7 AM. Wed morning 1/2"  and this morning 2.28" Looks like no big impact to the river looking at the gauges. Conowingo did not even hiccup!
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on August 06, 2020, 01:51:11 PM
How is it for debris?
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 06, 2020, 07:43:13 PM
How is it for debris?
I have not been down for 2 days. Though based on flow stats I would not expect it to be bad. I usually expect debris when I see there has been a lot of rain up north. If it ain't chocolate colored I'll fish it. I will see tomorrow AM.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 07, 2020, 10:59:48 AM
Road to Muddy Creek was closed. So I ran down to Peach Bottom. River looks clear to me. For what ever reason it looks like Conowingo Dam did not operate much yesterday.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on August 08, 2020, 10:19:50 AM
Another 1.89 inches of precipitation reported at Safe Harbor in the past 24 hours, but not much of a rise predicted at HBG.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 14, 2020, 07:27:51 AM

I have never been able to find info on when it operates either, but I think it is safe to assume they are doing it every day right now with as hot as it has been.
Went out a little early yesterday. Hotline for Conowingo stated 5 small units at 1500-2000 (only 1 up to 3 PM). So I got to the point across from the launch at Muddy Creek Launch at 3 PM and there was significant flow for Muddy Run power plant. I have concluded there is no way to know when Muddy Run discharges. I wanted to see if activity increased with the flow. Guess I will have to get outside of influence from Muddy Run.

I caught about 15 fish. Except for 3 the rest were dinks. After 8PM flow subsided as I expected. Typical turn on at sundown.
(https://i.imgur.com/2xhGOmam.jpg)
Phil

Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on August 15, 2020, 03:08:52 PM
Your still catching some nice fish Phil.

I was running some skinny water yesterday 1-2' for a few hours and not even a hit. Guy with me caught 2 dinks.
When you can't even get a single hit on a top water you know it's not going to be a great day.
This week the fish have liked a black Senko rigged wacky.
In the process of juggling boats...with the prices they are bringing sold my prop boat. Not sure what direction I'm going to go.
"maybe a bigger jet"
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 16, 2020, 04:29:45 PM
Your still catching some nice fish Phil.

I was running some skinny water yesterday 1-2' for a few hours and not even a hit. Guy with me caught 2 dinks.
When you can't even get a single hit on a top water you know it's not going to be a great day.
This week the fish have liked a black Senko rigged wacky.
In the process of juggling boats...with the prices they are bringing sold my prop boat. Not sure what direction I'm going to go.
"maybe a bigger jet"
Thanks. Been tough. Managed a few nice fish Friday night after dark on chatter bait. Before dark a few dinks. Going out tonight. No pics. Pretty bad pic with flash after dark. A lot of bugs, hopefully fewer bugs tonight since it is cooler!
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on August 22, 2020, 04:51:21 PM
Well we have the 4th lowest water level on record. 0.39. The lowest on record at Williamsport is 0.69.
Below the dam launch we are starting to run out of ramp. 2' drop at the end of the concrete ramp. It is messing up boat trailers trying to get up over that 2' drop.
Hope that we pick up some rain off of these tropical depressions.

Edit: Phil I just picked up a chatter bait haven't fished them before.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 23, 2020, 09:15:51 AM
Well we have the 4th lowest water level on record. 0.39. The lowest on record at Williamsport is 0.69.
Below the dam launch we are starting to run out of ramp. 2' drop at the end of the concrete ramp. It is messing up boat trailers trying to get up over that 2' drop.
Hope that we pick up some rain off of these tropical depressions.

Edit: Phil I just picked up a chatter bait haven't fished them before.
I do not use them much. Sundown and after dark, or stained water.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on August 23, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
I do not use them much. Sundown and after dark, or stained water.
Phil

Thanks I'm going to start fishing evenings more. 
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 27, 2020, 06:36:41 PM
Thanks I'm going to start fishing evenings more.
Getting lower all the time. Went up to Holtwood this AM, since the flow is low.
(https://i.imgur.com/HkKyVjUl.jpg)
Going to have order some more chatterbaits!
Had a good day but no size. Seemed like I had to use many different lures. Though I did get 5-6 on jerkbaits
(https://i.imgur.com/Z2LbkFSm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/soEDT1Bt.jpg)
At ramp one bassboat trailer ran off ramp at the end (so low). Guy had a heck of a time loading his boat. I asked him why he did not launch elsewhere, and he said they have a tournament this weekend.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on August 27, 2020, 08:26:57 PM
Some nice fish Phil!
It was really windy here today, wind averaged 11 mph with some 32 mph gusts.
I have a chatter bait tied on one of my rods but haven't even given it a cast. Next time out will have to remedy that, if I can find any weeds. ;D

My local tackle shop is out of a lot of stuff and he has been having trouble getting orders in.
 
Ned and whacky rigged Senko's seem to be getting it done as of late. "talking to other anglers"
Top water has been hit and miss. Either they will hit it...or won't even touch it.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on August 28, 2020, 07:44:36 AM
I was poking around the NOAA site and found this for the HBG gauge:

Low Water Records
(1) 1.83 ft on 09/13/1964
(2) 2.46 ft on 09/25/1963
(3) 2.48 ft on 11/29/1930
(4) 2.59 ft on 09/28/1959
(5) 2.67 ft on 11/06/1964

I can't imagine the river at 1.83!
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on August 28, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
I was poking around the NOAA site and found this for the HBG gauge:

Low Water Records
(1) 1.83 ft on 09/13/1964
(2) 2.46 ft on 09/25/1963
(3) 2.48 ft on 11/29/1930
(4) 2.59 ft on 09/28/1959
(5) 2.67 ft on 11/06/1964

I can't imagine the river at 1.83!
I could tell when I took out yesterday the level had not come up.
https://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?01578310 (https://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?01578310)
Looks like they have not generated for 3 days. Correction 1 small unit.
Phil
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on October 03, 2020, 07:44:06 PM
The reading at HBG is still only 3.1.  I drove up to Amity Hall today. I saw one boat there but none from there down to just above Forster Street.  Nobody parked at Fort Hunter.  Three boats were in that area.  I assume that they had launched at City Island as there were a few trailers in that lot.

No wonder the deeper pools have been busier than normal. 
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: 1iarrowking on October 04, 2020, 09:57:19 AM
The reading at HBG is still only 3.1.  I drove up to Amity Hall today. I saw one boat there but none from there down to just above Forster Street.  Nobody parked at Fort Hunter.  Three boats were in that area.  I assume that they had launched at City Island as there were a few trailers in that lot.

No wonder the deeper pools have been busier than normal.

At less than 3.7 I can't get past River Plaza Apartments without hitting something, launching from CI.  There is a private ramp under I 81 on the west side but i don't see how you could get past the ledge above 81 this shallow.  There is a small ramp on the west side across from Fort Hunter and slightly north.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on October 04, 2020, 10:21:30 AM
To clarify, the boats I saw were just north of Forster St not at Ft Hunter.  I could have worded that better.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on October 16, 2020, 07:39:21 AM
Now here is a skinny water boat for you.

(https://i.imgur.com/chdn3ej.jpg)

The trick is to make sure it is in the water.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on October 17, 2020, 09:12:19 AM
Now here is a skinny water boat for you.

(https://i.imgur.com/chdn3ej.jpg)

The trick is to make sure it is in the water.
Did you see this happen? Looks like the strap is still attached. Released the winch too early? Fortunately I have to fight to get my boats off their trailers.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on October 17, 2020, 10:02:30 AM
Did you see this happen? Looks like the strap is still attached. Released the winch too early? Fortunately I have to fight to get my boats off their trailers.

Yes.  The strap was attached but the winch wasn't locked down and it just played out as he was backing down the ramp.  After I helped them with it he told me he had launched last week and couldn't get the boat off the trailer.  He jacked the boat up and oiled the rollers.  Apparently it worked. 
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on October 17, 2020, 12:10:37 PM
Oh the things you see at the launch ramps. That's funny
But I'm sure it wasn't at the time.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on October 29, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
Well we picked inch of rain so far today. How is everybody making out?
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on October 29, 2020, 08:29:46 PM
Looks like the river is going to shoot up half decent, 5' is probably my favorite depth. Enough current the fish start stacking up.
Much more, and for me it starts getting dangerous.

 (https://i.imgur.com/cb82HJV.png)

Probably the most water we have seen since May 1st.
Guess it's time to see how the new Crestliner handles the faster current. will be a good test...

(https://i.imgur.com/3YyNeZi.jpg)
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on October 29, 2020, 09:39:30 PM
I donít have a rain gauge so I can only guess until I see the official report.  The rain was steady all day but the heavy downpours never materialized.  I think that we probably got an inch. 

Not sure yet how much the river is going up - they have already revised that estimate down.  They should have a better idea tomorrow. 
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on October 30, 2020, 05:30:49 AM
0.33 inches at Safe Harbor yesterday. I am surprised they had their site updated this early.
Newport is up to 3.95 from 3.3"
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on October 30, 2020, 07:14:59 AM
0.33 inches at Safe Harbor yesterday. I am surprised they had their site updated this early.


That is the report they put out yesterday, Phil.

Not sure yet how much the river is going up - they have already revised that estimate down.  They should have a better idea tomorrow.

Yesterday I saw the prediction for HBG to get to 4.9'.  Last night that was down to 4.4".  This morning it is at 3.8'.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on October 30, 2020, 07:27:26 AM
Correct. Now I know why I thought their post was early! Don't even know what day of the week it is!  ;)
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on October 30, 2020, 09:57:04 AM
0.33 inches at Safe Harbor yesterday. I am surprised they had their site updated this early.
Newport is up to 3.95 from 3.3"

It has now been updated to 1.17" of rain.

Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on October 30, 2020, 01:30:12 PM
We got 1.63" up here, so it's heading down your way. "Stratus Manuel rain gauge"
River was down to -22 and now we up to 44 on the positive and still rising.

The closest the snow got was Liberty going up route 15N, which is probably 10-12 miles away.

Might try and get out tomorrow. But the day is suppose to start in the 20's.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on October 30, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
Correct. Now I know why I thought their post was early! Don't even know what day of the week it is!  ;)
Phil
It's either a fishing day...Or a non fishing day  ;D ;D
That's the only days in the week...Right??
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Phil Sweeney on October 31, 2020, 10:22:28 AM
Yes Sir!
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: zelmo on October 31, 2020, 10:46:32 AM
Phil
It's either a fishing day...Or a non fishing day  ;D ;D
That's the only days in the week...Right??

Well, there are weekend days.  To me those are not fishing days.
Title: Re: River is getting really skinny
Post by: Pawatch on October 31, 2020, 03:31:22 PM
Well, there are weekend days.  To me those are not fishing days.
I agree I hate fishing weekends. If I go I'm up by 5:00 am to get around.

I got out today, sure was chilly out. Water temp dropped 8 degrees to 49.
2 extra feet of water was nice. I didn't know how to act.
Only 1 small one. Seen a couple schools of big fish but couldn't get them to bit.
Couple watched a Ned bounce by about 1' away